Just Me

[WilliamFloyd]

Unfortunately I have had to issue a ban to the user who goes by the alias "Just Me". After repeated warnings about the promotion of the false doctrine known to many as "Once Saved, Always Saved", and her refusal to to heed my warnings, I have decided to issue a 7 day ban in order to give her time to separate herself from this issue, and to take a look at her walk and whether or not she may be listening to voices which aren't of the Lord, whether it be her own imaginations or a demonic influence.

This ban wasn't simply because of an issue over doctrine. The truth is that all people are given the ability to decide for themselves what is truth and what is not. I have no problem with anyone believing anything. But I do have a serious problem with someone not showing respect where respect is due. I have shown much patience, both privately and publicly, with Just Me and she still insists upon having the last word and promoting an understanding which is deemed officially false at this website. She has also made statements privately which have caused me to seriously question her motives and the type of spiritual influences which she is currently under. During one of our private conversations, Just Me has claimed that the Lord has sent her here to mentor me. Here is the copy of that portion of our converstaion, taken in context. If anyone would like to see the whole conversation, which I have, please feel free to ask. I will send the whole conversation to you, only edited to remove personal subjects which Just Me shared and would be in poor taste to share.. I have no need to hide anything which I say whether it be in private or public.

jehovah_ishi: ok so here is the story and I am only going to say this once. The Lord said I must mentor you. I was wondering how on earth I was going to do that after our conversation today. I have been wondering how on earth I was to do that anyway as you don't have a very open mind to being wrong - no matter what you may think - my understanding of the things of God is much deeper than you can hope to perceive from what I have said. I only speak about very basic things in public. I have been as open with you as I have dared because of various spiritual realities in my life at the moment. I am still wondering how on earth I am going to do that because I dont' think you can accept the truth of what I am saying.
jehovah_ishi: or actually let me amend that - I don't like saying people are wrong. It makes them defensive and then no one gets anywhere
jehovah_ishi: there are things you need to grow in your understanding of
hiswill_i_am: Let me be very clear and please forgive me but LOL!!!
hiswill_i_am: Wow. I really mean WOW!!! You are most certainly not sent to mentor me.
hiswill_i_am: You are not listening to the Lord.
hiswill_i_am: If you were really sent to mentor me, things would have progressed much differently.
jehovah_ishi: ok because I am absolutely open to the possibility of being wrong - tell me something from God to prove you are right and I am wrong
hiswill_i_am: LOL!!!!!!!!
jehovah_ishi: I really cannot say this in such a way that you can understand - I am beyond open to being wrong - if I state something with certainty you can be damn sure I am CERTAIN of it
hiswill_i_am: I honestly need to get away from the computer because I can't really take you seriously right now.
hiswill_i_am: i mean, wow.
jehovah_ishi: what? my process is that I look at a thing from every angle and then some before I make up my mind
jehovah_ishi: when i do make up my mind I am certain of it
hiswill_i_am: Were you serious about mentoring me? Really?
jehovah_ishi: yes the lord absolutely floored me with it the other day because quite honestly I have enough on my plate
hiswill_i_am: LOL!!!!
hiswill_i_am: That is not the Lord.

You must understand some things. First of all, if someone is truly sent from the Lord to mentor another, they will NEVER EVER say so in such a way. It will always be something done in a more natural manner, where the one being mentored will naturally have a respect and desire to seek the counsel and instruction of the one being sent to mentor. The way in which Just Me approached was more in a manner as a last ditch effort to bring me under her control. It really did make me laugh and I just couldn't believe what she was trying to say and do! Even worse, all in the name of the Lord! Couple this behaviour with the "O.S.A.S" promotion, and even another personal issue (which I won't detail unless forced to), I feel like I am left with no choice but to place some separation between myself and her for a short while.

I will be giving her an opportunity to give her side of the issue, if she chooses to do so, and then will offer up a final rebuttal. If she doesn't repent of her wrongdoing and continues to stick to her stance, then as soon as my rebuttal is submitted, a 7 day ban will go into effect. Afterwards, the issue will not be brought up by me again, unless I am forced. I hate closing the door on anyone and want to leave as much space for reconciliation as possible. But at the same time, I won't tolerate the type of behaviour which she has demonstrated.

If anyone feels that I have been out of line, or unfair in my actions, please contact me privately. I'm more than open to hear you out and there will be no retaliation or ill will towards anyone who does so. Blessings and hugs.

[WilliamFloyd]

This is the last of the emails which I have received from 'Just Me' in response to her ban. I am going to copy, in it's entirety, the email which she requested that I post in concerns to her ban, along with the subsequent emails which I have received relating to this matter. My next post will be my rebuttal and then this matter will be closed unless it becomes necessary to further address any issues.

yes. Actually if you just remove the private conservation portion of
your post I really don't care what you do. You have used it just to
prove a point that doesn't need proving and it's not relevant to your
stance. In fact it is the kind of small minded attack I associate with
some one unable to defend their position any other way. Why don't you
take this opportunity to act with true integrity?

On 9/20/09, William Floyd <hiswill_i_am@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is this all that you would like for me to post?
>
> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Anon Ymous <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> From: Anon Ymous <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: regarding you posting a private conversation
> To: "William Floyd" <hiswill_i_am@yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 4:43 AM
>
>
> You have also disclosed personal information about me in the post
> which I keep hidden for a reason. You have not conducted yourself with
> integrity William.
>
> On 9/20/09, Anon Ymous <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Right then please post this statement, as per your rules:
>>
>> "You will be given the opportunity to say what you would like in
>> response to the ban by sending an e-mail to the administrator, which
>> will be posted and responded to."
>>
>> This was a private communication between Will and myself which I
>> expressly denied him permission to post on any forum. He has done so
>> against my very clear wishes and refuses to take it down. I regard
>> this as a profound breach of trust and completely dishonest.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/09, William Floyd <hiswill_i_am@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I'm sorry that you feel that way, but my post will stand as it is. If you
>>> would like to publicly defend yourself, then you are free to do so.
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Anon Ymous <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Anon Ymous <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: regarding you posting a private conversation
>>> To: restoret@restorethechurch.org
>>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 1:49 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> I seem to recall that I told you that I did not give you permission to
>>> post our private conversation anywhere. I regard this as a serious
>>> breach of trust. Please delete it from the forum! I honestly do not
>>> care if you ban me - in fact please do so permanently as I cannot
>>> associate with some one who claims transparency and then acts with
>>> such disregard for another person's explicitly expressed wish.
>>>
>>> You have also acted one way in public saying 'how patient' you have
>>> been while acting entirely another way in private by issuing warnings.
>>> If you were truly acting with the transparency you claim you would
>>> have been open about it.
>>>
>>> These are not the actions of some one who is acting with transparency
>>> and integrity.
>>>
>>> I am truly very sorry that you are unable to hear the truth at this
>>> time. I leave you in the Lord's hands to deal with.
>>>
>>> PS I most expressly do not give you permission to copy this mail in
>>> public either thank you very much.

[WilliamFloyd]

I feel that my explanation as stated in the first post presents my reasoning very clearly, but I would like to make clear that my main reason for issuing a ban to Just Me had more to do with her behaviour rather than her stated belief in the false doctrine of what is commonly referred to as 'Once Saved, Always Saved'. Most especially since she was and is aware of this websites doctrinal stances, as well as the expected behaviour of it's members. She insisted upon promoting her doctrine, both publicly and in private, even after she was warned about doing so. Then during a private conversation, she attempted to claim that the Lord had sent here to me in order to mentor me, making it clear to me that Just Me needed to be dealt with more forcefully and that she was, at the very least, paying heed to vain imaginations.

That being said, I would like to address a couple of issues which Just Me raised in her email responses to her banning, just so that all members of this community can better udnerstand my way of thinking and aren't afraid of any genuine breach of trust on my part. In order to do so, I will be referencing another very personal matter which Just Me shared with me, though only in passing.

Just Me

Actually if you just remove the private conservation portion of
your post I really don't care what you do. You have used it just to
prove a point that doesn't need proving and it's not relevant to your
stance.

Please read: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6
I have made my ways and understandings very clear. Whether in public or in private, a servant of the Lord should always realize that every word which we speak will be accounted for. With me, the William you se in public, is the same William you will see in private. I don't say anything in private which I won't stand behind in public, even if this means apologizing, retracting, or standing my ground. This is what I am held to and hope that others see the Lord in it.

The 'point', which I used part of one of our conversations to bear witness to, was that Just Me is either listening to her own imaginations or some unclean influence which has not only planted corrupt seed/doctrine within her, but is leading her to act in a way which is unbecoming of a follower of the Lord. Therefore it is very relevant to my position and the actions which I have taken.

Why don't you
take this opportunity to act with true integrity?

Integrity and accountability are the every reasons why I have shared what I have shared and also why I am willing to allow anyone who wishes to dig further an opportunity to view all relevant correspondence. I have nothing to hide or fear and feel that I have acted in a way which is pleasing to the Lord, whom I serve.

This was a private communication between Will and myself which I
>> expressly denied him permission to post on any forum. He has done so
>> against my very clear wishes and refuses to take it down. I regard
>> this as a profound breach of trust and completely dishonest.

During the conversation which I shared portions of, I requested that we have our conversation publicly to which she balked:

hiswill_i_am: Can we do this publicly?
jehovah_ishi: why?
hiswill_i_am: I think it would be very benficial for both of us.
hiswill_i_am: soem of the things which we've touched upon are some of teh very same things which i have been sent to address.
hiswill_i_am: I have no fear of being being proven wrong and i have the time if you do?

And here:

hiswill_i_am: Well let's enter into a debate.

Then I even asked her if I could share our conversation with people, which she said alright. It was only later that she came back to me and told me that I no longer could. Unfortunately I can't find that portion of the conversation so I understand if anyone wants to view it as hearsay.

You have also acted one way in public saying 'how patient' you have
>>> been while acting entirely another way in private by issuing warnings.
>>> If you were truly acting with the transparency you claim you would
>>> have been open about it.

I have been very patient, both in public and in private, in dealing with this situation and make no apologies. I spent at least 4 hours with Just Me on 9-13-09 just to hear her out, neglecting other things for her. I, also, only issued warnings to her when she made it clear that she was going to promote what she knew to be considered false doctrine here, regardless what I had to say about it.

In conclusion:

I only want to take the time to say that I genuinely hope that Just Me will take this time to step back and examine her words and ways and come back to fellowship in a more mature way. I never close a door on people and am not doing so now. But I do recognize that there are times when we must separate ourselves from people for righteous reasons and it is in no way personal. After your bans time has expired, Just Me you are more than welcome to return. Just remember that if your still feel the need to promote doctrines which are contrary to this websites policies, and continue to show disrespect for the truth then you will be dealt with in a like manner. I still have a lot for love for you Just Me, but I don't play favorites. You have been wrong and need to repent.